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Buck · Joined: Nov 05, 2002 Posts: 20

A good example would not to move posts from their existing thread if you do not understand their substance. But you are the moderator.....

planedoctor · Joined: Oct 08, 2002 Posts: 306

You know Buck the post you made on the AMFA forum is still there. You have every right to continue in that area.

I copied to IBT area only to continue with the discussion on how the increase was passed and the fact that no membership vote was needed. That was a issue that is directly related to the IBT and not AMFA.
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Buck · Joined: Nov 05, 2002 Posts: 20

Then why move it? I believe this issue is over.

Aviator · Joined: Nov 05, 2002 Posts: 37 Location: USA

Buck · Joined: Nov 05, 2002 Posts: 20

Ok Aviator, actually if you would like it is not over. Lets continue. What would you like to discuss other than your remarks with no substance. Should we discuss the plight of the AMT in the airline industry where Industrial Unionism has done nothing to improve this profession. Should we discuss where your dues are being used or do you know? What is it that you have to say? It is far from over, but at least say something with some substance.

Aviator · Joined: Nov 05, 2002 Posts: 37 Location: USA

Buck · Joined: Nov 05, 2002 Posts: 20

BLA BLA BLA

Aviator · Joined: Nov 05, 2002 Posts: 37 Location: USA

After reading your post, I realize that I should return to my previous "Cave Dwelling" self, and just return to my tool box and continue to do what it is that I have done so effectively for the last quarter century, and that is to just pound out a meager existence, and keep my humble opinions to myself.
I concede that I am under informed, and that I do not deserve to ever be seen in the shadows of someone of your obviously high caliber, and I shall retreat now and leave you to your dominance of this "Issue".
Well Done

Stepchild · Joined: Nov 06, 2002 Posts: 3 Location: USA

(What Harmonics--that FOOL!--doesn't realize is that planedoctor, Aviator, Buck and Stepchild are ALL THE SAME PERSON: an industrialist-unionist-communist-imperialist genius mastermind oppressor of the Airframe & Powerplant proletariat, bent on world domination and enslavement of the entire human race through the hideously devious method of holding a differing opinion than Harmonics! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ! [a breath, then more maniacal laughter.])

Seriously, folks, don't believe everything you read, especially when you read it online. planedoctor brings up an interesting point, one I'd like to see addressed: Where's your proof? If you say that it's "a fact" that Policy Board members of the IBT can't be removed from their position, how about if you give some kind of documentation? Or at least reference some publication of the IBT or a court document or a newspaper, or some damned thing? I don't want to get too insulting, but I'm not willing to just give unquestioning credence to whatever someone says who believes that planedoctor and Aviator (and perhaps others) are the same person.

So how about it?
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Stepchild · Joined: Nov 06, 2002 Posts: 3 Location: USA

Oh, and Buck: Good job with that post, there. That's just the kind of thing I'm talking about.
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Buck · Joined: Nov 05, 2002 Posts: 20

First let retract any reference made to the IBT about removal of officers. In fact let me retract any indication about the Teamsters period. It is the AFL-CIO, the TWU International and it's locals of the Air Transport Division that I speak of. Plane Doctor moved the original post to the IBT and that is where the thread continued. I do however stand by my statement that any affiliate loses control of itself when the AFL-CIO becomes involved.

jetmech1 · Joined: Nov 05, 2002 Posts: 15

Buck, Is the bill you posted the one referred to as "baseball arbitration"?

Since it was introduced in 2001 what ever became of it? I guess it didnt pass, but is it still being pushed by the airlines?

Secondly thanks for making me ask Questions and looking for answers. I didnt even know the IBT was under the AFL-CIO. For some reason I thought they were seporate unions.

So how much pull does the AFL-CIO have with the groups under them. Do they require a % of the members dues?

I have been very uninformed (or just didnt persue) about how and where my union dues were going and what they supported and controlled.

You know I guess its like anything else when it all boils down its all about money and politics!

Who has the most power and money!

Buck · Joined: Nov 05, 2002 Posts: 20

I do not believe that they are one in the same. However what SR 1327 does is take away labors right to solve issues under the Railway Labor Act.

See www.nmb.gov

That is correct we should always ask questions. Especially when it has to with the way we make our living. The AFL-CIO is comprised of most of labors industrial unions. Everyone should research this organization. You might find that what they do is just fine. But in my case, the do not have my profession at heart, nor the politics that effect my point of view. Do a little research on the origins of thee AFL and on the CIO, see what you come up with.

As for the amount of pull the AFL-CIO has, it is not just the percentage of dues that they take, and they do, it is the political power they have. All of the Divisions and Locals under those Divisions will adhere to whatever the AFL-CIO's agenda is. These Divisions and Locals still believe the adage "Democrat Good Republican Bad" while many members consistantly vote as they feel and not to the partys way of thinking.

I have no problem with how someone votes or how they feel on the issue. The point is to be informed.

jetmech1 · Joined: Nov 05, 2002 Posts: 15

Yea, I guess the unions don't really want you to know the FULL facts.

You didnt answer my ? about if the proposed bill is still being pushed by the airlines?

Buck · Joined: Nov 05, 2002 Posts: 20

Yes I believe it is the same. Look at this link.

http://www.local2000.org/committees/airline_labor_dispute_act.htm

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