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This topic is in reference to the AP story entitled
"Troubled airlines present additional challenge for FAA"
You can find it HERE

Please read it then respond. The main quote I think merits discussion is this:
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"There have been many more people killed due to maintenance defects and lack of inspection and oversight than in all the terrorist acts combined in this country,'' Mica said. "We do have some airlines in deep financial trouble, and it's important we have inspections to make certain they're operating safe aircraft and that proper maintenance is adhered to.''


I don't know yet if this statement is true, but it sure as hell doesn't make us look good!

It was my understanding that upwards of 80% of crashes were attributed to pilot error NOT mechanical errors.

Come on folks lets work together and get the stats to prove this statement is BS 16_angry.gif

I would like nothing better then to make him eat his words. anim_pissed.gif
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WOW, that was kinda quick!

I'm amazed at how fast I can produce something off the net. It IS the Information Super Highway you know!

Alright back to business. Boeing did a report that was produced in June of 2002. The link to the PDF is HERE

In this report it doesn't (I skimmed threw it kinda fast so maybe it does) really give the stats in terms of fatalities vs. cause, but does list causes for accidents. Below is the page I was looking at. I have to get some bett.gif now. Being that my kids are out of school tomorrow I will be a little preoccupied with them. If anyone has some time to look into this I think it would do our profession a great service to get this sorted out. director.gif


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Plane DR here's the FAA site for Preliminary Accident and Incident Data.

http://www2.faa.gov/avr/aai/iirform.htm

All accident and incident reports for the last 10 days are listed. Rep. John Mica, is just one of many non aviation congressman that seem like they can run airlines (aviation) better maybe he should find someone in the FAA that can show him the right data.
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Thanks 21-61. I will hopefully have some time to get back to this topic. I've been working on the SB 1327 and Audio sections lately.

This topic also never stirred any responses either cryb.gif
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I thought this might shed a little light on the GA side of accidents. This was taken from http://www.hf.faa.gov/docs/508/docs/GA01.pdf
For the lazy among us it basically says 80% of accidents are attributed to skill-based pilot error, and the fatal accidents are 4 times more likely to involve a violation of the FAR's.

Human Factors General Aviation Research Program AAR-100
Project Summary: Scientists at CAMI and the University of Illinois have continued their investigation of the application of the Human Factors Analysis and
Classification System (HFACS) taxonomy with civil aviation accidents. The human factors analysis of all fatal and a random sample of non-fatal general
aviation accidents occurring between 1990 and 1998 has been completed. To date, over 14,000 human causal factors associated with nearly 5,000 GA accidents have been analyzed (2,770 fatal and 2,212 non-fatal accidents) by five independent raters (all were certified flight instructors and GA pilots) using
HFACS. The analysis determined that roughly 80% of all general aviation accidents are attributed, at least in part, to skill-based errors and that many of
those are associated with deficiencies in training and/or other issues of proficiency and currency. In addition, fatal accidents were four times more likely
(roughly 40% of all accidents examined) to be associated with violations of the
rules, than non-fatal accidents (only 10% of non-fatal accidents examined). An equal percentage of decision errors (roughly 40%) were associated with both
fatal and non-fatal accidents examined, while perceptual errors were associated with nearly 10% of the accidents examined. The analysis of the remaining non-fatal
GA accidents is ongoing with an early FY02 completion date.[/url]
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